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>>176835 >good day where is UPA-hall >UPA-hall (Zal UPA/zalupa) It's a wordplay in Russian and Ukrainian languages. It means HEAD OF THE PENIS or something like that. >Moscal on a branch (moskal'aku na hill'aku) It's like "srbe na vrbe" >t. BENDERA Russians are pretty stupid and they can't remember this surname, so many of them call him "BENDERA".
>>176870 >Russians are pretty stupid and they can't remember this surname Everyone is doing it ironically and because don't want to write his shitname properly.
>>176937 But now it's definitely not yours. And now it's a shithole thanks to Eastern Khokhols and Russians. Why did you do it to us you fucking imperialists?
>>176946 Now it's not (thanks based Bandera) but in 1920s it was a legitimate reason. Not our fault that you can't win independence from cykaland, duh.
>>176945 It doesn't have any great literature worth learning Polish; your economy is shit, you are a country of peasants and you hate us. >>176949 U still have good chances in case of restitution. In fact I would welcome it. Imagine... Whole Lwow being returned into the hands of its true owners.
>>176949 I'm not talking about the independence of all Ukraine (Ukrainian People's Republic). UPR and WUPR were two different states (until 1919). UPR was at war with Soviet Russia and WUPR was at war with Boland. I'd wanted to live in independent state of Western Ukraine, really. And it would be possible if you don't attack us :c So, we lose independence war to kurwaland, meh.
>>176954 In fact I can't remember anything besides Stanislaw Lem (perfectly translated into Russian), Adam Mitskewitsch (who was a Belarussian Jew, if memory serves me correct, and is of no real relevance today), and also that guy who wrote Ogniev i Meczom (with good Russian translations available). Now if one considers that the Poles generally hate us for no good reason, why the fuck would we learn it?
>>176954 We have Many Great authors. You probably just don't know them. Our economy is doing good, constantly growing. What do you mean by peasants? Also yes we hate your. And for a good reason
>>176967 Just look up Polish demographics under Russian rule with Irish demographics under the English crown. I'm talking 19th and the beginning of the 20th century. You might also check up the "cruel Soviet oppresion"which was actually non-existent, if one gets into details. Actually, I don't see much hate in you, so I kinda feel awkward for claiming that. >We have Many Great authors. Not internationally recognised. Sad (for someone) but true. Anyway, I would like to see your top list. >>176969 >I don't know much about history of Ukraine. Sorry Protip: they have none. It was either Ottoman Empire or Rzecz.
>>176968 >What do you want from us? Hm. Maybe you can invade Eastern and Central Ukraine, how do you think? It would be great. This is Russian clay anyway, all people speak Russian there.
>>176969 >I don't know much about history of Ukraine. Sorry Oh that's okay, nobody does
>>176969 Know what, it's just that I don't want to break my habits. That is, we call see MORJE, while you call it mozhe. Other than that, you don't stand comparison against other Slavic languages. Czech republic is a much more friendly place, with economy better than yours (if we talk relative, not absolute numbers), and they have free education for foreigners, which you don't. >>176981 The Irish were dying out starving. The Poles were multiplying their populace at a fast pace. Under "oppressive"and "bloody"Russian crown. It is just you national myth - our cruelty.
>>176981 >Are you seriously saying that the EU didn't do anything bad to Poland You're a semi-independent country. It was so those times and it is so now. There are, naturally, "bad" things but there are also "good", and this kinda rhetorics doesn't really make sense.
>>176986 Btw, I appreciate some of your flicks. I recommend "Dekalogue" to anyone willing to dedicate time to Polish culture and cinema in general.
>>176986 Zbigniew Hebert? I know the guy. He's good.
>>176982 In XIX population was growing rapidly in every country. And the fact that you didn't go full Auschwitz mode doesn't mean you were good. Many massacres happened. Thankfully my city was in Austria.
>>176990 Considering the fact that a Pole is the president of EU and were getting funds to catch up witch the west, while in Warsaw pact we had to lick your shoes and give you money, I like this the way it's now
>>177012 I don't know, I live in Poland >implying whole Russia wouldn't move to UK if they had a chance Your millionaires move to UK, our poorfags move there too. Says something about how we lick shoes, aye? :^)
What do you think about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years >Finally, Poland will continue to lead its military alliance, the "Polish Bloc." Poland and its allies will be a major power, much like the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Now possessing substantial military strength, Poland will expand its economic influence into what was formerly European Russia, and will begin to compete with Turkey for influence in the important economic region of the Volga River Valley. Around this time, space programs for military use will begin to emerge, and Japan and Turkey will increasingly begin to develop military capabilities in space.
Говорит, что стреляли им в голову, надо отвечать: да, стреляли, и скажите спасибо, что не в живот, от этого умирать больнее. В гулаге гноили? Превосходно, и еще в будущем сгноим, принесете хоть какую-то пользу Руси-матушке. Катынь? Как что-то плохое.
>>177019 It says nothing of the sort m8. Being a millionaire in England and being a despised Polish plumber are different things you know. >>177020 The investigations were conducted by the traitors so they could have made a thing or two up.
>>177022 Would be cool. A lot of hard work ahead of us though. We need to raise our wages to German level. Not happening in nearest 20 years Belarusian majdan is a priority now Later comes Kaliningrads independence
>>176995 >my city was in Austria. I take it you are from Silesia. Do you pronounce the consonant at the end of words as voiceless(t) or as voiced (d)? I mean, while speaking Polish. And, more importantly, do you make voiceless consonant into voiced?
Я как-то несколько лет назад врубил палп фикшн украйиньскою. Так вот несмотря на то, что английский я учил лет 6, а украинский всего неделю от силы, по-украински я на слух различал гораздо больше, по факту - где-то на 97 процентов.
>>178634 >No większość rozumiem. Czemu masz rosyjską flagę? Bahato ukrayintsiv zhyvutʹ u Rosiyi , ale ya rosiyanyn , yakyy trokhy znaye ukrayinsʹku movu. My tut sʹohodni obhovoryuvaly velyke doslidzhennya odnoho amerykansʹkoho instytutu , yake hovorytʹ pro te, shcho rosiyany z tsentralʹnoyi ta pivdennoyi rossyy po svoyemu henotypu ne vidriznyayutʹsya vid ukrayintsiv i polyakiv , a rosiyany z pivnichnoyi rosiyi mayutʹ domishku finsʹkoyi krovi, ale pry tsʹomu u vsikh rosiyan nemaye aziat·sʹkoyi krovi, tobto dumka pro te, shcho rosiyany - aziaty , tse skorishe mif. Shcho ty dumayesh z tsʹoho pryvodu?
Or maybe let's better talk in english? We discussed here today about catholic and orthodox Union of Brest which created modern greek-catholic church of Ukraine and which union was signed between Pope in Rome and "russian people" ("ruthenis" in latin). And we discussed about american researchment they've made with russian, ukranian and finnish scientists in the middle of 00s and published in 2008 in The American Journal of Human Genetics. You can read it here - http://download.cell.com/AJHG/pdf/PIIS0002929707000250.pdf?intermediate=true As a result of their researchment they found that surprisingly russians doesnt have asian blood, and there are two huge groups of russians: central and south russians got much the same genotype as poles and ukranians, and northern russians got a lot of finnish blood. Ukranians on this imageboard says that this is totally lie, that they are real russians and they always were russians before muscovits took their endonym and ukranians had nothing to do but to introduce new endonym as "ukranians" which they have chosen by the name of the land they lived - Ukraine. And modern russians are nothing but the mix of finns and turks who have stolen their history. What do you think about it?
>>178719 > that they are real russians and they always were russians before muscovits took their endonym Isn't it true though? They founded Kievian Rus, only after 500 years the Muscovy changed its name to Russia, mostly to have a claim on all territories inhabited by East Slavs. For me Russians have more Kazakhstan-like looks than Finnish. Obviously we're all closely related, no denying.
>>178807 Do you understand that this map is basically fairy-tale with no evidence? Something on level of Ukrainian-persian war. >>178805 No, not gonna to happen anytime soon and probably never.
>>178818 >why is it called after Kiev? What? "Kievan rus'"? It's name invented in 19th century, it's not that state called themselves. > Why? Because country is bankrupt, can't afford it. Because country has territorial disputes and conflict with nuclear power. So Ukraine joins NATO and next day declare war on Russia and NATO would have to fight for them? That's insane. Why Georgia haven't joined? They wanted too.
>>178800 We didn't talk to him, bydlo. If he want to understand wat we said he can translate it buy himself. >>178818 Because the capital was in Kiev. And now u should say Kyiv, Kiev ce moskalska. Knyaz Oleg came to Kiev from Novgorod and maked it a capital. >>178814 lolwut
>>178831 >Because country is bankrupt, can't afford it. Meh, even Albania is in NATO so you can be too. >Because country has territorial disputes and conflict Yeah, that could be a problem. But you could just mobilize whole country, push the Russians out of Donbass and give up the Crimea.
>>178842 > push the Russians out of Donbass I think government could make it long ago, but it's interested in this conflict, because it can blame any fuck-ups and reducing quality of life on it. There are also chances when conflict ends, there would be another revolution or something. > give up the Crimea. That's political suicide and would cause another maidan.
That's my thoughts. And there are no guaranties NATO would let Ukraine in even after this. And what's the purpose of joining it if we could resolve problems ourselves?
>>178743 >They founded Kievian Rus But the first capital of Rus (well, okay, the first place Roerig/Ryurik (scandinavian, first ruler of Rus who was called by russians to rule them) chosed to stay) was Ladoga (862-864), then Ryurik moved to Novgorod where he ruled until he died in 882, and in 882 Ryurik's succesor Oleg captured Kiev and moved capital of Rus there. And for many years Novgorodian Rus/Kievan Rus were nothing but different russian principalities, so we're all the same russians. And the fact Moscow became russian capital 500 years after Kiev - is just the piece in a long chain of russian history. I can't agree about kazakhstan-like looks. Look at averaged faces of russians and kazahs. But i like the fact you agreed that we're all closely related.
>>178870 >kick some 15 thousand rebels? They are occupying densely populated large cities, what you suggest bomb those cities to dust? And Ukraine doesn't even have aviation. >Oh wow. What for this time? Many nationalists and patriots see betrayal everywhere, but they are busy in the war right now.
>>178870 U think they have enough equipment for dat? I think, that they cant maintain what they have now. There are a lot of volunteers who collect food, medicine and equip for army.
>>178867 Well, as long as i live on the territory of ex-Novgorod republic near the "iz varyag v greki" trade way, ill keep in my mind that we're same russians as you (same as you're same russians with us) and Ukraine is huge part of our generic russian history.
>>179305 lol nyet. Russian - fifth largest spoken language in the world, second language ubiquitous on the Internet, fourth among the most translated languages. Russian - official language in UN, OSCE, Unesco, SCO, IAEA. Russian language of great culture with more than thousand history. For what reason your rustic dialect useful?
>>179345 And to whom you can talk in Russian? Only to various ex-ussr asiatic bydlo. >official language in UN, OSCE, Unesco, SCO, IAEA. So what? Among other languages which are more useful. >great culture No modern culture, only bydlo. And classical works of value are translated to any languages. >thousand history. That would be Ukrainian.
>>179328 No, you arent, lol. Biggest fans of USA in europe are albanians. They have american flags on almost all houses in Kosovo and boulevard of America and monument of Bill Clinton, lol.
>>179382 I think we need to hold a contest >>179387 >this hehe, u stupid like hohol, see? I will answer this way too. Even asiatic bydlo doesn't want to spoke polish. >>179399 всё ты понимаешь, рыльце-то не спрячешь.
>>179402 >hehe, u stupid like hohol, see? Nope, enlighten me oh mighty slavshit. >I will answer this way too. Even asiatic bydlo doesn't want to spoke polish. Well that's good. I don't want any immigrants in my 99% ethnic Polish country. Enjoy your jihad. >всё ты понимаешь, рыльце-то не спрячешь. >all you know, the stigma of something you can not hide. I still don't understand, can you write it in English please?
>>179417 Don't try to argue about how СЭВ worked with Pole. They all believe they gave everything for free. I talked with many Poles over internet, they all believe in it.
>>179417 >Not for free. It was Soviet economic block and there was a pretty high trade and goods exchange within it. Sure, the brotherly help for USSR was greatly appreciated by you :^)
>>179422 A commie Ukrainian? That's something new.
>>179416 Ты точно хохол. Такая же сверхманевренность, 1 в 1. Начал про то, что польский язык намного полезней русского, потом вдруг съехал, что та полезность русского и не полезность вовсе, при этом не сказав, чем же польский полезен, а потом вообще на имигрантов соскочил. На всякий случай: I repeat: For what reason your rustic dialect is more useful?
>>179430 Mate please, speak English. The google translate doesn't really do the trick for me, its translation is just full retard. >I repeat: For what reason your rustic dialect is more useful? How is Małopolski dialect rustic? It's pretty much standard Polish.
>>179425 I'm not commie, but that's how this system worked - you get something, get something in exchange, etc, etc. In fact it was usually help FROM ussr to other commie countries. Or ussr bought stuff from warsaw-pact countries instead of own better stuff to "help" brothers. If we look at stats countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary benefited the most, while GDR and Czeckoslovakia had lost. And USSR left in dept for 15 billions of rubles when organization ceased to exist which it returned to other countries including you.
>>179442 The system was really bad, both in idea and execution. Exchange rates were very much in favour of USSR, we had to import their patents and use them instead of designing our own. Not to mention the factories and railways the russkies stole from our Recovered Territories. But they gave us 15 billions of worthless roubles, how nice of them.
A regular salary in Russia starts from 1.5 grand. Any qualified people get 2-3 grands (Russians or foreigners - dosen't matter)
There are a lot of immigrants who's salary is much lower. Also there a few percent of population who still lived in villages and their income is quite low as well.
my favorite events in the history German troops destroyed the bridges over the Peene while retreating from Demmin during World War II. This way, the advance of the Soviet Red Army was slowed down when they arrived in Demmin on 30 April 1945. During that night and the following morning, Demmin was handed over to the Red Army largely without fighting, similar to other cities like Greifswald. Rapes, pillage and executions committed by Red Army soldiers triggered a mass suicide of hundreds of people and nearly all of the Old Town was burned down.[21]
1939 best year of my life Vilnius je Lithuania poolad worst country after russia Commonwealth was a mistake. Polish workers worked for potatoes in Latvia and Lithuania
Hey, polak! I'm here to remember, that Wilnо ne wasze. I'm belarusian. Do want huge Intermarium, so every moskal' could suck my true slavic 49 cm dick. And I want my GDL back :C
where is the bandera?
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