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>Studying Russian for 3 years now in college >Practice for 3 hours every day >Can barely manage a conversation in Russian WHY IS RUSSIAN SO HARD?
Don't worry about it much. English is just as hard for most native Russian speakers to learn as Russian for native English speakers.
I started teaching myself English sometime in 2014 I think, and have been actively practicing it on the internet ever since, yet despite all the effort and time I've put into it I still can't say with certainty that I've achieved eloquence or fluency in the language. The most frustrating thing is, at one point I noticed that my progress had seriously slowed down, my English skills simply stopped improving. I've never had a convo with a native speaker irl, but I'm sure if I did that person would just laugh at me and my feeble attempts at speaking the language. I'm not that terrible at written English sure, it just takes me a lot of time to form coherent sentences, but my speaking skills are utterly horrendous.
>>14393 (OP) >'merican flag >Studying Russian for 3 years now in college >Practice for 3 hours every day ебать дебил сука ебаный тварь сучий подонок блядище подзахуйное чмо
>>14393 (OP) Simply studying is a waste of time, I know lots of people who spent years studying English and they couldn't say a single sentence when they went overseas. If you want to learn a language you have to practice speaking with someone and immersing yourself in that language like with music, movies, video games, animes, etc...
Don't worry about not understanding some things because normal Russians don't understand everyone perfectly either. Gopniks and the guys here on dvach have their own slang that a proper Russian would be ashamed of, government workers try to sound very formal and use very complex legal terms to seem smarter than everyone else and old people make a lot of cultural references and talk about shit that no one remembers anymore.
>>14472 1. dont say я нармално, it looks like youre retarded say: нормально or:хорошо without я dont even try translating that how you would answer in english into russian it will look stupid 2. и вы? looks even stupider its obvious that u just translated "and you?"word by word IT DOEST WORK
>>14393 (OP) Lol it's not. I used to talk to a Ukrainian friend all the time. I had only studied for like four months. My Russian is so shitty now that I don't dare attempt it.
>>16164 How would you better reply to "как дела"? I've only been learning for a month or two (very much beginner), and would have thought так себе, хорошо, плохо, etc would have been suitable replies? What would a native speaker use instead?
I am glad I picked up on the "а" instead of "и" too. Feels nice.
>How would you better reply to "как дела"? I've only been learning for a month or two (very much beginner), and would have thought так себе, хорошо, плохо, etc would have been suitable replies? What would a native speaker use instead?
I'm native russian speaker but i'm not that good at english. Hope you can understand what I mean. Your standard options are something like нормально(average/normal/ok), хорошо(good), плохо(bad), не очень(not so good), отлично(excellent), как всегда(as always).
>>14393 (OP) Stop fussing about how you say things and just say them. Start thinking in texts rather than individual words. You'll probably sound bad, but it should get better in time. Provided, that is, that you do take note of your mistakes
>>16757 Но зачем? Не понимаю когда говорят что знание английского обязательно для всех. ДЛЯ КОГО КОНКРЕТНО? Язык это просто инструмент блядь, если я не собираюсь съебывать или работать переводчиком, то нахуй мне нужен английский? Учить язык чтобы смотреть сериалы или тролить на дваче?
>>16758 Троллить в этом разделе, потому что этот раздел - англоязычный. Если бы тут была хоть какая-то модерация - тебе стоило бы выкинуть предупреждение за систематическое нарушение единственного (!) правила раздела. И - да, знание английского в данный момент обязательно для любого _образованного_ человека. Подобно тому, как в своё время было обязательно знание французского или латыни. Если не претендуешь - то, конечно, можешь обойтись.
>>16760 Ты дурачок или школьник? Ну, смотри: - США на данный момент имеют культурную гегемонию: популярные фильмы, игры, сериалы на английском. Перевод обязателен только для мейнстрима, притом перевод зачастую неважный (в вопросах дубляжа уж точно). Прочие страны при попытке пробиться на общемировой уровень почти всегда (99% случаёв) запариваются переводом на английский. Настолько, что почти вся популярная во всем мире музыка на английском. - Английский - международный язык IT, программирования, сетевых технологий. Хочешь работать в этих областях - умей хотя бы техническую литературу читать. - Английский обязателен для любого учёного приличного учёного. Разве что в медицине немецкий близок по популярности - Английский - язык интернета. 2/3 интернета на нём. Любые материалы - от мануалов по HADOOP до порнофанфиков по MLP пишутся на английском, а потом переводятся (крайне избирательно) отдельными добросердечными гражданами на другие языки. Русская секция ютуба - не более чем тень англоязычной. Двачик - клон форчана. - Общение с иностранцами (коллегами, друзьями, бизнес-партнёрами, туристами, тех.поддержкой, тайской шлюхой) происходит на английском. - Ну и такая мелочь как колоссальный культурный багаж накопленный на английском. Шекспир, вся хуйня. Абсурдный вброс, в общем. Лингва франка - обязательный атрибут образованного человека, сюрприз. Последние лет 70-80 это английский. Enjoy.
>>16779 >у тебя образованные люди это только погромизды Чем читал? >язык IT, программирования, сетевых технологий >обязателен для любого учёного приличного >Любые материалы - от мануалов по HADOOP до порнофанфиков по MLP пишутся на английском >Общение с иностранцами (коллегами, друзьями, бизнес-партнёрами, туристами, тех.поддержкой, тайской шлюхой) >колоссальный культурный багаж В общем, всё с тобой ясно. возразить ничего не в состоянии, вот и цепляешься к словам. Так что и говорить с тобой не о чем.
>>16797 Давай научи человека, который всю жизнь говорил на языке, где имеются чётко установленные строгие правила, говорить на русском, где плевать на порядок слов. Научи эти суффиксам-хуюффиксам и прочим падежам. В английском кроме времён глаголов ничего блядь сложного нет.
>>17195 Понятно. А потом такие наученные идут на мейл.ру писать заголовки новостей. Пошли ту пизду, что тебе это сказала, нахуй, а сам загугли инверсию и эмфазу. "Дай мне сто рублей" и "Дай мне рублей сто" - это нихуя не одно и то же.
>>14393 (OP) I feel you OP. I have been learning Russian for 1 year now, and sometimes I just want to smack my balls with a hammer it gets so difficult.
I listen to Russian TV shows while working out, grammar podcasts, and practice my writing and conversational skills every day. RT, Master Russian, YouTube, 2ch, etc. all help.
Start with something simple like; здраствуите. что ты делаешь? Hello. What [are] you doing [now]?
Seek out Native Russian speakers or other Americans that you can Skype with or just text/IM. VK (the Russian version of Facebook) is great for meeting people and making new friends.
I WISH I could study Russian at a local college or university where I live in the USA, but I can't get to any of the programs atm. Don't you have a study group you can join?
>>17228 >здраствуите. что ты делаешь? Здравствуйте is too formal, and usually when you coomunicate with a group of people or people older than you(boss, teacher, parents of gf/bf) and in case u r using this word, it will be "Что ВЫ делаете?". Вы - used when you adress to either a group of people or someone 'higher' than you, like a teacher, police office, judge etc
>>17235 I live in Florida, and I'm studying Russian just because I like the language. No real reason or motive I suppose.
>>17236 да, спасибо чувак. =) >>17239 Ah, you're right. It's just that здраствуите seems so polite, that's why I use it with people I've just met or when greeting online acquaintances that I'm not too familiar with yet.
>>17255 If you want to use здравствуйте then you may want to keep in mind that this is a verb and therefore it needs to be conjugated properly. In >>17228, you it was you, wasn't it? wrote: >здраствуите. что ты делаешь? You should've written здравствуй if you were addressing a singular person, or вы if you wanted to be extra polite (no real need for that on the Internet).
Personally, I think this word is a little bit too much trouble for someone still learning the language. Too much grammar, too much to keep in mind. Привет is nice and simple and just informal enough for the Internet. Another neutral way to greet someone is Доброе утро\Добрый день\Добрый вечер - but again, you need to bother with adjective declensions and remembering what time of day it currently is - not very convenient for casual chatting with someone half the way across the globe.
>>17294 It does. I even thought to myself that it might be a girl. >>17255 Can you show us a last part of the alphabet? I wonder what "ы" could be compared to.
>>14393 (OP) Do you think in russian? You should do it regularly, and when you want to think a word you don't know, you should find it in a dictionary, so you can speak. Do you watch russian films with subtitles? If you do it, you will understand russian speech. Are you planning to live in russia? If not, then why bother? If yes, then why don't you learn it here?
>>17303 Because you use belorussian o. Vowels make the most of the difference actually, though nobody teach them properly, so you have to copycat native speakers.
OMG, Just cos the English, Hibru and some of the European ones are thought to be one of the simpliest. For example, those countries which have difficult languages (India, China etc.) don't have a tendenncy to suffer so much while learning learn Russhian in compare with English speakers, or Hibru... I started to learn English a couple of years ago and find myself easy to take part in different communications at the /b/ lvl. Moreover, I haen,t seen any of your Russian-learning systems, which could be possible to understand or just examine without aaaany kind of alcohol stuff to stress yourself out. 50 years of cultural gap and misappreciation had made a lot. So the only way for you to understand us is to go for it just by coming round)) А так бля слыш пендос го пиздить? Есть чо поведать? Как относишься к нам и нахуя пришол суда? Ты кун? Какие я ошибки в этом реплае допустил?
OK, I want practice in English, and you need in Russian. And I`m looking for english-speaking friends. Let`s go telegram? @devastated it is my first so-so big message fully without google translator, a lot of errors, of course
>>17228 lol, nice penmanship. But if you can't write any letter correctly, them you can use simple word, we used to letter more archaic like as typewriter. True penmanship be only at school. Keep it up!
You have to talk to people, find Russian friends. Even somebody can laugh because of mistakes, nevertheless I think a lot of russian guys/girls would be glad to have an american friend. (I'm Russian) Read 2ch it also helps
>>18996 because you don't know the keys. here's one: to be = быть to do = деять (obsolete form of делать) to squeal = скулить to cop = купить to deal = делить (actually this word means "to share" but шарить is also comprehended, though it also means to understand and to search) but then some words don't follow this rule to beat = бить to read = речь (I'm just fucking with you it's "читать" but speech which is "речь" is related to that word as you can see) other of those keys I'll share with you the other time. one of them is to watch russian movies with subtitles and to repeat those lines
how did you russians and other flags learn english? Im tired of being mono lingual and want to learn a language but don't know where to start. I'm not even going to fucking try something as complicated as russian. I heard spanish and german are the easiest to learn as an anglophone, since german will be a dead language in a couple generations I'll go with spanish. how would I start learning spanish.
>>19001 first I spent 7 years learning russian in my class (I was best in class with what you call A+, because I translated lyrics of slayer with dictionary) but I didn't know grammar at all. I thought that passive form of the verb is future tense. Then I spent couple of months on courses, but they didn't teach me no grammar at all. Then I dropped my university and went to another one to linguistic department. But there they only accept kids from special language schools because the rest of russians are intentionally taught wrong. But I took couple of weeks of private lessons where I was explained all the grammar, so I started studying (I had acquintances among entering comittie, otherwise I'd fail) and I spent about three years in university, some teachers knew language worse than I did. So now I can speak to you, and here's my lifehack: 1. find yourself someone who knows language so (s)he watches movies without subtitles 2. you translate your favourite songs or books or movie scripts 3. you pay that person to correct your mistakes and explain you why it's that way and not the other 4. you start watching movies using subtitles, not dubbed 5. as soon as you understood the grammar you read with dictionary. 0. you think in the language you want to know (you occasionally stumble against the words you don't know, you look it in the dictianary)
>>19001 I've used to learn in a school with good English, but last 2 years or so we were too busy getting ready to "ЕГЭ", so, we focused more on Math, Physics and Russian, completely abandoning English. Also, I had to start learning German in my University (they gave us no choice). Luckily, somewhere in 2008 I've come across that AVGN guy. I liked his show a lot, but there were very few tranlation at that time. So, I had no choice but to watch him in English. He does have a very good and clean pronounciation. After that I've started to watch american TV series and movies in English with Russian subtitles. At some point I've tried to switch to English subs. Now I mostly download first torrent at piratebay I see. If it has English subs - that's good, if not - it's ok. I also speak with my colleagues in England and other european countries and have to read manuals and datasheet at daily basis. I still have problems with grammar, I make tons of mistakes, mostly, because I haven't had any decent English classes in 10+ years, but I can read fiction and technical literature having no problems at all. I also can support conversation on complex topics. I've managed to get a C1 on CEFR, despite my awful grammar, so, that's something. My advice is: you need practice. Listen, read, speak, write. You can find some decent shows on youtube in a language you'd like to learn. Another advice: you should think about your motivation. If you just want to learn second language - you'll probably end up having some basic knowledge with no desire to continue your studies even if you go to some good language school. Unless you have some really strong will or natural gift for languages..
>>19001 Here's another idea: find a sexual partner of the language you'd love to learn and speak with her in that language at home, but to make her even you speak english on the outside. I didn't try it, but lord Byron said it's the best way to learn it.
>>19001 In school since 1st grade which was a seldom occasion (foreign language was teached from 3d or 5th). Was best student till end of school and top in uni but still can't speak and write with errors))
Русские друзья, помогите пожалуйста. В этом упражнения, нужно использовать глаголы как "«лететь», «полететь», «прилететь»; «плыть», «поплыть», «приплыть»; «бежать», «побежать», прибежать»". They give us a sound file with people reading the text. The 5th box is giving me an error. I put пойдём (they say пойдём in the file, it makes sense because it is "let's go and I'll show you") and it doesn't work. Usually they make grammar mistakes and write пойдем, I've tried that with no success.
Can you give me some other terms I can use? I'm almost sure it's пойдём, but I don't know other ways that they might've commited a mistake.
>>19080 Спасибо, я забыл to capitalize the letter "П" когда писал "Пойдём". Ваше португальский язык отлично, ты португалец?
For the international people trying to learn Russian: don't.
jk it's great fun, although it can be messy and so goddamn stupid at times. I've been using http://pushkininstitute.ru, they have courses from A1 to C2 (from 0 to teacher of Russian), all for free, paid by the Russian government. There are some questions with bugs, you might need to have a few russian friends to help you with that, as their support simply doesn't work. The only way you have of communicating with them is through their facebook page, and they take weeks, if not months, to answer.
>>19084 >paid by the Russian government Fucking gayrope stealing my monies! My monies spending on a lazy ass gayropeans. My pedestrian route haven't been fixed for a 20 fucking years! SUKA BLYAD.
>>19126 B-but I like learning your language for free. And it's not like you give me a 5 star rating service, you should make Pushkin Institute great again!
>>19236 Nah, he's just messing with you. Probably. I personally happy to see anyone crazy enough to start learning Russian. I even ready to help with your studies - can leave a my fake mail. There is a subreddit dedicated specifically to people learning Russian, though -guys there will probably be more helpfull.
Можно, конечно, поставить перед собой "взрослую" цель - типа, сейчас выучу язык, потому что это ээээээ.... ну типа везде требуют знания языка или хуй знает кароч важно это))) Только хуй у тебя что выйдет, потому что ты будешь чисто механически дрочить правила и словарь и страдать.
А если у тебя есть более непосредственный интерес - онеме смотреть или тралеть русекоблядей в веге или читать Ремарка или пояснять парижским нигерам за белую расу - то тогда и учеба пойдет куда бодрее.
>>19484 Дааа! Я всем говорю качать фильмы и аниме на языке который хотят выучить потому что читать книжки - скучно. Что даже лучше чем учиться через фильмы и аниме это найти себе подругу из той страны чтобы постоянная учительница и практика была.
>>16177 >People around the globe trying to learn English hoping to live in your country Lol no, English is needed for reading professional literature, listening songs, movies etc.
>>19573 Eeeh, Turkic languages have very regular grammar with little to no exceptions. Arabic is very flective, by constrast, every second verb is "broken" etc.
>>19574 Oh, I thought that Turkic is arabic language at most.
Guys from GB/US who want study Russian, I want to study English, especially oral. Lets help each other. Write to my email [email protected], we will exchange skypes.
>>19577 Ah, no, Arabic is Semitic. Turkic languages are Uzbek, Kazakh, Tatar languages, Turkish, Azeri etc., plus the "outliers" like Yakut and Chuvash, which are a bit different from the "standard Turkic" ones. They have nothing in common with Arabic, except a lot of lexical borrowings related to Islam, urban life and agriculture.
>>19574 Здравей! Говорю по былгарски по малко! Actually I am Bulgarian who does not know his mother language Could you teach me a bit pls? I hav some bulgarian friends here but they are cocksuckers who speak only English
>>19584 Здраво-живо, брат. Well, I can help you, of course. Why not drop by in the Bulgarian thread in /fl/? Or maybe we could make a separate thread here. Do you know Russian? It will help you a lot.
>I hav some bulgarian friends here but they are cocksuckers who speak only English Yeah, Bulgarians are shitty people in general.
>>19585 Yeah I guess we should create thread in fl, cause there are more than 3,5 anons that are here. I am russo-bulgarian, and russian is my mother language kind of And no, all bulgarians I know are really nice and I have been in Bulgaria before and it was not that bad- just a typical eastern european country, same as Russia
>>16225 >I'm native russian speaker but i'm not that good at english. Hope you can understand what I mean. Your standard options are something like нормально(average/normal/ok), хорошо(good), плохо(bad), не очень(not so good), отлично(excellent), как всегда(as always). Don't listen to this bastard! normal = ништяк good = заебца bad = хуево not so good = да хуй знает excellent = пиздато
>>19597 There's a thread about Bulgarian in there already, linked in the sticky; if you have any questions, just ask there. I generally check sosach on weekends only when I'm usually in запой lol, but there are a couple of other people who have a good command of the language and answer regularly.
>just a typical eastern european country, same as Russia Well yeah, that's the problem. It's a very weird mentality, hard to adapt to if you're not born and raised in the respective society.
Hi there, if anybody want to practise russian with native speaker text me. I also can explain u gramma rules, punctuation. I wanna pick up my English (expecially vocabulary & phrasal verbs), so let's help each other my telegram: @loathness
>>14393 (OP) because reading is much more easier than talking with a native speaker. The thing is that you need to practice a lot and, if you're able to, visit Russia for a month or so.
>>14393 (OP) i am russian, never learned german in school, just talked to people. thats why my grammer is so shit, i cant even remember when did i learn english.
i guess if you speak russian you can learn any language ?
>>14393 (OP) Dude, begin to study Ukrainian language. It has a very funny pronunciation and words. Why should you study it? Just for lulz. But Ukrainian has a Russian grammar, so it would be hard too
>>18153 Sluts will jump on your dick for being a cool american. Unless you are planning on staying in Russia for work there`s no point in learning Russian.
I don`t have an accent in English, every time I visit my hometown I bullshit my way through multiple women and then leave. Feels good.
Dont listen to the ones who say that russian is not so complicated, because it is. Ones I thought of it, its way more complicated than english, and probably harder to learn not only due to its difficulty, but due to the state of media. I see english everywhere, i need it on my future job, i play games and watch streams, read techical literature, that is mostly in english, youtube e.t.c. On the other hand, non-slavs probavly dont hear russian at all except CYKA BLYAT in cs go or dota, or John Wick, so its way harder to learn, especially if you are not fully commited. But hey, there is also bright side. If you learn russian, its way easier to understand ukranian, and even kurwa language. I am belorussian myself, and, to my surprise, even though i never learned Polish, i found myself able to read news and shit, and understand almost every word, and guess of the context the ones left. Not to mention Ukranian. So... good luck, i guess.
>>14393 (OP) Because Russian is the most useless and stupid language in the world even French is much better. I really can't figure out why you've started to study Russian. You just waste your time.
>>14393 (OP) Why do you want to learn a language that doesn't have any use outside of Russia anyway? The sluts here will jump on your dick if you speak English anyway.
>Practice for 3 hours every day
>Can barely manage a conversation in Russian
WHY IS RUSSIAN SO HARD?