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first official 2ch/int/ muslim thread roll in, ikwan ヾ(`ェ´)ノ have
first official 2ch/int/ muslim thread roll in, ikwan ヾ(`ェ´)ノ
have fun ya mu'minum and keep rolling the discussion and so on also special regards for our brothers who have performed hajj this year and the worst nightmares for those who insult islam ^_^
I'm thinking of conversion to Islam since a lotta time. It's the only major religion that still has some internal fire, plus it's easy to find a traditional Muslim community and even Sufi tarikats in Bulgaria (I only have to move south and up in the mountains to Pomak land). I'm still bound to my village and community though, I literally depend on breeding and selling pigs to sustain my family, and I'm a drunkard on top of that. (and my family will disown me if I become Muslim, but that's the least of my problems). Those two things are not compatible with Muslim lifestyle. Help. Shall I continue my pig business and drink all day everyday like a son of a bitch, until all my relatives die, or shall I follow my heart, become a Muslim and move the hell out of here?
>>24935 >>24937 astagfirullah brother... this is not exactly what's supposed to be posted in this thread. i will pray for your guidance so you'll never be a companion of the hellfire. sorry if islam offends you :( HATERS GET OUT!
>>24903 >I literally depend on breeding and selling pigs to sustain my family, and I'm a drunkard on top of that.
i have muslims in family and they pigbreeders aswell, they drink sometimes. you can become anything and do what you want in russia. nobody gives a fuck.
your reward in islamic "heaven" will be rivers of wine.
what a shitty reward tbh. only a human mind could make up such reward.
how the fuck can a gigantic fireball catch up the moon which is small like sand compared to it?
if you see with human eyes of course it looks like the sun and moon orbits and "chase" eachother. mugamed was clever businessmen and creates religion to fool dumbass beduin. but cmon at this day and age you cant believe such nonsense.
i have nothing against religion, i think it is a great way to keep all the animals on the leech. but you seem to be smart enough to understand this. kiddo.
>>24970 wtf crazy schmuck. you want people to do useless stuff ? i get at least a reward for making fun at your stupid religion in heaven, you get punished for your retardness :D
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>>25012 suffering is a signal that you make or did something wrong. now the almighty have to punish you because he created this world with surrten rules writen in the Torah which translates as instruction. and you disobey this rules now you must correct yourself and pain is a sign for that.
why does russia suffer so much(not all of course) ? they are worshiping idols. Exodus 20:4 >"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Orthodox have lots of this images, called ikona. christians in general. and it is hidden sunworships that why you see this "halo" in the background.
western world is filled with idolworshipping such as chrismaus tree. it is placed each year, now the Allmighty have to punish russia.
but of course not ALL russia and this is why you have extremly rich and successfull people, who dont do this idoecy and the majority of people who do this lunacy like worshiping a tree are usually the poor and cursed ones. the ruling class know this tricks, and keep populus occupied with this bullshit and majority is suffering and they get the blessing because they dont do it.
now why was commies so successfull ? they banned all kinds of religions, which made the idolworshipping to stop majorly and the blessing came. thats why it was so powerfull
>>24899 (OP) Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794
>>25016 so why does he allow you to do bad things in the first place? is he not benevolent? or maybe he isn't almighty... so russia is off worse because they worship christmas trees and idols? by your logic the japanese should be equally fucked because of their waifus and pop idols. also americans and the west have christmas trees and crucifices all over the place too, still got premium life
>>24903 even if your life is shit now, you need to understand that drinking to escape it only makes it worse. please seek some sort of help with that because it is near impossible to get away from that alone (i'm serious)
look, i don't know about your relation to your family but it is important that you can rely on someone. if you want to throw that away for an expansionist warlike repressing religious cult, you will soon see that they exploit you to keep their institution running.
they promise you salvation and good traditional life, but it is a scheme to attract people who seek stability in their lives. they cannot give you salvation, for they are mere humans. they also cannot give you stability but only indoctrination and pointless strict rules to keep you busy
you see how these people are the same that radicalize you and send you to die for allah (more land/ slaves/ profits for some few leaders)
>>25030 The Choice of Life or Death …14"But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. 15"See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; 16in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.…
>>25030 >by your logic the japanese should be equally fucked because of their waifus and pop idols. gooks will die, dont follow the news ? they had nuclear bombed, tsunamis, earthquake and all kind of shit happend to them as punishment. http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/September/Japan-Is-Dying >>25031 yes, thats why it crashed yes >>25034 but only judaism is right tho.
atom bomb was way before that retard and they always had tsunamis and earthquakes because they live near a tectonic plate gang bang trailerpark not because magical space daddy is angry
>yes, thats why it crashed why didn't north korea crash yet? >yes then travel to your promised land and get crippled because you ate pork or some stupid shit no one in the civilised world cares about >but only judaism is right tho. how? before judaism they had many gods, why were they more wrong than monotheists?
>>25040 >not even an argument you said "so why does he allow you to do bad things in the first place?"
The Choice of Life or Death …14"But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. 15"See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; 16in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.…
>"See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; >"See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
he did it basicly, but you have to choose and he recommend to take the life, meaning eternal life in heaven.
>why didn't north korea crash yet? i like it, it is funny to me so i keep it. >then travel to your promised land and get crippled because you ate pork or some stupid shit no one in the civilised world cares about what ? wtf >how? >before judaism they had many gods, why were they more wrong than monotheists? because worshiping some stones or statues is retarded ? dont you agree ? and judaism is the only religion which say it is retarded. thats why it is true religion.
>>25042 let me rephrase: why does he give you the possibility of doing bad things such as dying when he could just have you doing good things such as living (which then just would be 'things')
>because worshiping some stones or statues is retarded ? dont you agree ? and judaism is the only religion which say it is retarded. thats why it is true religion.
and worshipping some ghost dad on a cloud is less retarded? also that is some brain damage tier logic as well as >>25044
>>25051 for centuries he was thought to be outside the earth plane on his throne, until this was disproven by human advancement, now you say he is everywhere, what is he, matter, energy? can't find him so you are going to say he cannot be found because magic? mystics of all centuries would call you a coward and tell you that you weren't looking well enough
also why don't you adress the other things i've said? i assume we agree?
>let me rephrase: why does he give you the possibility of doing bad things such as dying when he could just have you doing good things such as living (which then just would be 'things')
you mean this ? i told you he give you good and bad. and he told you to take good, but you can take bad aswell.
>>25033 Thanks for the kind words, bro. Tbh I only really think of converting to Islam when I'm really drunk, ironically. Additionally, the only real option here as far as communities go, is Sunni (besides the mentioned Sufis, who are neither here nor there and, generally, don't accept random people as far as I know), and I don't like them. But yeah, it's mostly an escapist fantasy. I can't even take monotheism seriously to start with, lol.
>>25064 In any case it wouldn't really count if I say the shahadah while intoxicated, so...
>drinking makes you connect to demons and they whisper you to join their cult(islam) Lol. But seriously, I'm really tame last couple of years, I get shitfaced once a week or so; I used to be constantly under the table for seven years before that.
>>25057 yeah why did he give you these options if he loves you? if you love your child, do you put knives, lighters, cocaine and vodka in its room but tell it not to play with knives and so on?
>>25070 He gives you free will, which means access to all possible opportunities.
This is the big failure of all Abrahamic religions (plus typologically similar "crisis cults" in general) in my opinion - they replace the cosmology and ritualism of "natural" religions with ethics and personal faith/practice, and then they fail to explain the non-moral and indifferent universe that any creature with self-awareness experiences, which leads to religious speculation and endless arguments of the sort you two have.
But it's not internally inconsistent. You have free will, you can do whatever you want, there's only one way to do it right, but still, you can do whatever you want, because depriving you of choice would be morally wrong, and God is morally perfect. For a religion focused on ethics this is the only rational outcome, after all things are considered.
>>25070 >yeah why did he give you these options if he loves you? if you love your child, do you put knives, lighters, cocaine and vodka in its room but tell it not to play with knives and so on?
much much worse, he gives you tanks, rockets and atomic bombs. but you still have the brain not to use them ?
the whole point of this is to reward you, hes like a trillionair who have no kids, so he created us to reward us. but only if we play by the rules if not, we get punished-
roll in, ikwan ヾ(`ェ´)ノ
have fun ya mu'minum and keep rolling the discussion and so on
also
special regards for our brothers who have performed hajj this year
and the worst nightmares for those who insult islam ^_^